<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD> <META content="text/html; charset=unicode" http-equiv=Content-Type> <META name=GENERATOR content="MSHTML 8.00.6001.19019"></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV class=header-outer> <DIV class="fauxborder-left header-fauxborder-left"> <DIV class="region-inner header-inner"> <DIV id=header class="header section"> <DIV id=Header1 class="widget Header"> <DIV id=header-inner><A style="DISPLAY: block" href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/"></A> <DIV class=descriptionwrapper> <P class=description><SPAN><FONT size=7>China Over India</FONT></SPAN></P> <P class=description><SPAN>: A critical view of the future of India compared with China based on sociology and human geography</SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV class="header-cap-bottom cap-bottom"> <DIV class=cap-left></DIV> <DIV class=cap-right></DIV></DIV></DIV></HEADER> <DIV class=tabs-outer> <DIV class="tabs-cap-top cap-top"> <DIV class=cap-left></DIV> <DIV class=cap-right></DIV></DIV> <DIV class="fauxborder-left tabs-fauxborder-left"> <DIV class="fauxborder-right tabs-fauxborder-right"></DIV> <DIV class="region-inner tabs-inner"> <DIV id=crosscol class="tabs section"> <DIV id=Text1 class="widget Text"> <H2 class=title>Point of This Blog</H2> <DIV class=widget-content><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic"></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">If Indian geopolitics isn't the focus of your interest then you might not see much value in this blog. 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Although Chinese GDP per capita (PPP) is $7500 for 2010, 2X+ growth in a short time is difficult to believe but highly plausible. If there is 8% real growth + 3-4% inflation + 3-4% currency appreciation over the next 5 years then the per capita will double. At the level of $16,740 per capita, China will be in the same league as countries like Chile, Mexico, and Russia (2010).<BR><BR>Even as someone used to miracle years, I still have a hard time imagining a huge, relatively poor country becoming a middle income country in 5 years. Everyone else will also struggle to make sense of such mind boggling overnight change.<BR><BR>*Update: In 2010 India was the fastest growing major economy. <A href="http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2011/04/india_outpaces_china">Read the Economist analysis.</A> <DIV style="CLEAR: both"></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=post-footer> <DIV class="post-footer-line post-footer-line-1"><SPAN class="post-author vcard">Posted by <SPAN class=fn>Blogger</SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN class=post-timestamp>at <A class=timestamp-link title="permanent link" href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/04/middle-income-country-in-5-years.html" rel=bookmark><ABBR class=published title=2011-04-14T21:53:00-07:00>9:53 PM</ABBR></A> </SPAN><SPAN class=post-comment-link><A class=comment-link onclick="" href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/04/middle-income-country-in-5-years.html#comments">1 comments</A> </SPAN><SPAN class=post-icons><SPAN class="item-control blog-admin pid-1084478769"><A title="Edit Post" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=1555512740797831343"><IMG class=icon-action alt="" src="ctsicon18_edit_allbkg.gif" width=18 height=18> </A></SPAN></SPAN> <DIV class="post-share-buttons goog-inline-block"><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-email" title="Email This" href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=1555512740797831343&amp;target=email" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Email This</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-blog" title=BlogThis! 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A hundred years later, China s GDP had fallen but India s went up to 24.4% of world output. By 1820, however, India s share had fallen to 16.1%."</A></LI></UL>In the business press, the most frequently cited historical fact linking China and India is their share of global GDP (PPP) in 1800, but curiously a breakdown of the global population is never mentioned. The worldwide population was about a billion in 1800. There were 250 million Indians and over 300 million Chinese.<BR><BR>Two centuries ago, countries were relatively equally poor. Consider the present day variation of an American GDP per capita that is 40 times bigger than the GDP per capita of 1/3 of all countries to the homogeneity of hardscrabble agricultural economies across the world in 1800. With over half the population then, it isn't surprising China and India could claim a proportionate share of the economy.<BR><BR>The historical data is used to bolster the case that China and India will again retake a lion's share of worldwide GDP, but in the present age of rich and poor countries, the data from 1800 isn't insightful. National history will be no guidepost for predicting the wealth of the Chinese and Indian economies in 2050. <DIV style="CLEAR: both"></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=post-footer> <DIV class="post-footer-line post-footer-line-1"><SPAN class="post-author vcard">Posted by <SPAN class=fn>Blogger</SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN class=post-timestamp>at <A class=timestamp-link title="permanent link" href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/04/half-world-economy-in-1800.html" rel=bookmark><ABBR class=published title=2011-04-10T10:30:00-07:00>10:30 AM</ABBR></A> </SPAN><SPAN class=post-comment-link><A class=comment-link onclick="" href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/04/half-world-economy-in-1800.html#comments">6 comments</A> </SPAN><SPAN class=post-icons><SPAN class="item-control blog-admin pid-1084478769"><A title="Edit Post" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=208545955361226862"><IMG class=icon-action alt="" src="ctsicon18_edit_allbkg.gif" width=18 height=18> </A></SPAN></SPAN> <DIV class="post-share-buttons goog-inline-block"><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-email" title="Email This" href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=208545955361226862&amp;target=email" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Email This</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-blog" title=BlogThis! onclick='window.open(this.href, "_blank", "height=270,width=475"); return false;' href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=208545955361226862&amp;target=blog" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>BlogThis!</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-twitter" title="Share to Twitter" href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=208545955361226862&amp;target=twitter" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Share to Twitter</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-facebook" title="Share to Facebook" onclick='window.open(this.href, "_blank", "height=430,width=640"); return false;' href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=208545955361226862&amp;target=facebook" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Share to Facebook</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-buzz" title="Share to Google Buzz" onclick='window.open(this.href, "_blank", "height=415,width=690"); return false;' href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=208545955361226862&amp;target=buzz" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Share to Google Buzz</SPAN> </A></DIV></DIV> <DIV class="post-footer-line post-footer-line-2"><SPAN class=post-labels>Labels: <A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/search/label/economic%20history" rel=tag>economic history</A> </SPAN></DIV> <DIV class="post-footer-line post-footer-line-3"><SPAN class=post-location></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV id=latency-208545955361226862></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=date-outer> <H2 class=date-header><SPAN>Sunday, April 3, 2011</SPAN></H2> <DIV class=date-posts> <DIV class=post-outer> <DIV class="post hentry"><A name=6793040241482080944></A> <H3 class="post-title entry-title"><A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/04/not-obstacle-to-democracy-in-china.html">Class is Not an Obstacle to Democracy in China</A> </H3> <DIV class=post-header> <DIV class=post-header-line-1></DIV></DIV> <DIV id=post-body-6793040241482080944 class="post-body entry-content">Andrew Jacobs of the New York Times writes a piece, <A href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/03/weekinreview/03jacobs.html?ref=andrewjacobs"><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">"</SPAN>Where  Jasmine Means Tea, Not a Revolt," </A>highlighting the Chinese social/political milieu and his speculations about barriers to Chinese democracy. His article though doesn't capture the Chinese psyche.<BR><BR>He identifies two foundations of support for the legitimacy of the Party. The most obvious pillar is fast growth:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>Over the past two decades, annual per capita urban incomes have more than tripled, to $3,100 a year; life expectancy has jumped by more than six years, to an average age of 75; and the ranks of illiterate adults have dropped by 46 million.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>Jacobs believes the other pillar is the steadfast conservatism of a large middle class minority that has benefited the most from the boom and wants to protect its income from the demands of the impoverished class majority.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>Li Fan, director of the <A title=" " href="http://www.world-china.org/newsdetail.asp?newsid=452">World and China Institute</A>, a nongovernmental group in Beijing that studies political reform, said electoral democracy would threaten the benefits entrepreneurial elites enjoy under the current system.  Those who have prospered from economic reform have no interest in sharing power or the spoils of prosperity with those beneath them, he said. The same can be said of the 300 million members of China s growing middle class, many of whom subscribe to the belief that universal suffrage would overempower their impoverished rural brethren. </BLOCKQUOTE>Conflict between the middle class and working class is the dominant theme of democratic/electoral reform in the histories of other countries like Britain but class strife is not a dominant feature of Chinese politics or society. China is undergoing miracle years and so many lives will continue to transform overnight, making class classifications unstable. But, I am aware there are lots of dispossessed farmers and workers, who rise up against corrupt local government in thousands of "mass incidents" every year. In fact, last week, a <A href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/01/world/asia/01briefs-ART-China.html?ref=china">huge riot</A> erupted in a backwater county of Yunnan over familiar grievances like corruption and land seizure:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>A protest by more than 2,000 residents of Suijiang County in Yunnan Province that lasted for five days was dispersed on Tuesday by paramilitary police officers and armored vehicles, according to Chinese news reports and a posting on the Web site of the county s government. </BLOCKQUOTE>But it's cursory to frame the Chinese hinterlands as a <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naxalite">Naxal</A> cauldron because of thousands of annual riots in a giant country. Based on anecdotal accounts and data, rural China is buoyant, prosperous, and entrepreneurial. Peter Foster, the Beijing correspondent for the Telegraph, and formerly their man in Delhi, <A href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/peterfoster/100077909/meet-the-new-kings-of-the-chinese-road/">compared rural China to Indian villages</A>:<BR> <P></P> <P></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P>Perhaps it s the instinctive comparison I draw with India, but I m always struck how relatively prosperous many Chinese rural villages are, with income from migrant workers and sideline businesses  like delivering clay to the brick kilns, running a shop or a one-man haulage business, which explains why several houses had 30-ton trucks parked outside.</P> <P>As another villager said to me, no one is too bothered about the drought because the government is offering to help, and most people in the villages have an alternative source of income, whether it be a sideline, a PLA pension or a son/daughter sending money home.</P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <P>To get a sense of the energy from Chinese villages, I recommend reading Peter Hessler's article <A href="http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2007/06/instant-cities/hessler-text">"China's Instant Cities,"</A> which won the 2008 National Magazine Award for Reporting. It's a wonderful tale with a Dickens like cast in hyper capitalist Zhejiang province, where the factory owner and 15 year old migrant girl are both too busy looking for a better business opportunity to begrudge the parvenu.</P> <P>For the Chinese middle class, the thought of class division does not foremost trigger fears of instability. Instead they keep in mind the 20th century history of a country that had <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlord_era">no central government</A> and <A href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Civil_War">suffered civil war</A>. I am dumbstruck by the awful lacuna in an article that analyzes the appreciation for "the social stability that comes with autocratic rule," yet does not even allude to these prominent scars.<BR></P> <P></P> <DIV style="CLEAR: both"></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=post-footer> <DIV class="post-footer-line post-footer-line-1"><SPAN class="post-author vcard">Posted by <SPAN class=fn>Blogger</SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN class=post-timestamp>at <A class=timestamp-link title="permanent link" href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/04/not-obstacle-to-democracy-in-china.html" rel=bookmark><ABBR class=published title=2011-04-03T13:03:00-07:00>1:03 PM</ABBR></A> </SPAN><SPAN class=post-comment-link><A class=comment-link onclick="" href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/04/not-obstacle-to-democracy-in-china.html#comments">6 comments</A> </SPAN><SPAN class=post-icons><SPAN class="item-control blog-admin pid-1084478769"><A title="Edit Post" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=6793040241482080944"><IMG class=icon-action alt="" src="ctsicon18_edit_allbkg.gif" width=18 height=18> </A></SPAN></SPAN> <DIV class="post-share-buttons goog-inline-block"><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-email" title="Email This" href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=6793040241482080944&amp;target=email" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Email This</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-blog" title=BlogThis! onclick='window.open(this.href, "_blank", "height=270,width=475"); return false;' href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=6793040241482080944&amp;target=blog" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>BlogThis!</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-twitter" title="Share to Twitter" href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=6793040241482080944&amp;target=twitter" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Share to Twitter</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-facebook" title="Share to Facebook" onclick='window.open(this.href, "_blank", "height=430,width=640"); return false;' href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=6793040241482080944&amp;target=facebook" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Share to Facebook</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-buzz" title="Share to Google Buzz" onclick='window.open(this.href, "_blank", "height=415,width=690"); return false;' href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=6793040241482080944&amp;target=buzz" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Share to Google Buzz</SPAN> </A></DIV></DIV> <DIV class="post-footer-line post-footer-line-2"><SPAN class=post-labels>Labels: <A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/search/label/democracy" rel=tag>democracy</A>, <A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/search/label/Middle%20Class%20Chinese" rel=tag>Middle Class Chinese</A>, <A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/search/label/naxalites" rel=tag>naxalites</A>, <A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/search/label/revolution" rel=tag>revolution</A> </SPAN></DIV> <DIV class="post-footer-line post-footer-line-3"><SPAN class=post-location></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV id=latency-6793040241482080944></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=date-outer> <H2 class=date-header><SPAN>Tuesday, March 22, 2011</SPAN></H2> <DIV class=date-posts> <DIV class=post-outer> <DIV class="post hentry"><A name=2413395828864284978></A> <H3 class="post-title entry-title"><A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/03/why-is-india-bad-at-civil-engineering.html">Why is India Bad at Civil Engineering?</A> </H3> <DIV class=post-header> <DIV class=post-header-line-1></DIV></DIV> <DIV id=post-body-2413395828864284978 class="post-body entry-content">Yesterday, I was linked by <A href="http://www.marginalrevolution.com/">Marginal Revolution</A>, the most popular economics blog, so I received a lot of traffic and some feedback. Some of my critics say I offer no insights, just bland comparisons of China doing better than India.<BR><BR>A commenter writes:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>I would love to know more about the mechanisms by which the Chinese government is more efficient than the Indian government, but this is just cheerleading and axe-grinding.</BLOCKQUOTE>For this post, I'll assert an explanation. In previous posts, I contended popular explanations for the difference in performance are unsatisfactory:<A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/02/corrupt-chinese-babus-get-job-done.html"><BR></A> <BLOCKQUOTE><A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/02/corrupt-chinese-babus-get-job-done.html">Corrupt Chinese Babus Get the Job Done</A> - Chinese officials are corrupt but still manage to meet targets so corruption isn't a decisive explanation for missed targets in India.<BR><A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/03/libya-chinese-v-indian-government.html">Libya: Chinese v. Indian Government Ability to Get Things Done</A> - If China can pull off a rapid evacuation in a country where it exerts no control then India can't claim China is able to do stuff just because of authoritarian government.</BLOCKQUOTE>China is ahead not because of a lack of disadvantages or unfair advantage but because it has done much more to cultivate the necessary human capital for creating a rich country.<BR><BR>Last summer, a New York Times article, "<A href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/26/business/global/26engineer.html?pagewanted=1">A High-Tech Titan Plagued by Potholes</A>," sought to explain the country's weak infrastructure and frustrated efforts.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>"The problem is a dearth of engineers  or at least the civil engineers with the skill and expertise to make sure those ambitious projects are done on time and up to specifications."</BLOCKQUOTE>The cause of this talent scarcity is the pull of better paid industries.<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>"Its much-envied information technology industry generates tens of thousands of relatively well-paying jobs every year. But that lure also continues the exodus of people qualified to build the infrastructure it desperately needs to improve living conditions for the rest of its one billion people  and to bolster the sort of industries that require good highways and railroads more than high-speed Internet links to the West."<BR><BR>"Moreover, many civil engineers who earn degrees in the discipline never work in the profession or  like Mr. Mandvekar  leave it soon after they graduate to take better-paying jobs in information technology, management consulting or financial services."<BR><BR> You don t get the best quality in civil engineers, because today the first choice for students is other branches of engineering, said K. P. Raghavan, an executive vice president in L.&amp; T. s construction division.  We are compensating with lots of training. </BLOCKQUOTE>But the article doesn't inquire about the root of the shortage. Ideally, there should be enough good engineers in India to meet both the needs of private and public sectors. After all, China Railways can hire thousands of new engineers every year despite the lure of "information technology, management consulting or financial services" and other expanding industries.<BR><BR>There isn't a human capital shortage in China because public education is much better. Most of us have heard <A href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/education/07education.html">Shanghai students did very well on PISA</A>, an international math, science, and reading test of 15 year olds. The Shanghai results are admirable but the impressive accomplishment of Chinese education is the <A href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/20770bf6-01e7-11e0-b66c-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz1HNPnDMKK">progress of poor regions</A>:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>Citing further, as-yet unpublished OECD research, Mr Schleicher said:  We have actually done Pisa in 12 of the provinces in China. Even in some of the very poor areas you get performance close to the OECD average. </BLOCKQUOTE>What a revelation. The inland farmer's child is getting a public education comparable in results to rich countries. (Chinese public education is still flawed with high fees too burdensome for the poor for the last three years of high school.) The<A href="http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2011/01/18/what-are-kids-learning-in-school-little-study-says/"> latest Pratham survey</A> of rural Indian education shows the teachers might not even be showing up:<BR> <P></P> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P>However even by grade five, when most kids are nine or 10, only about half, or 53.4%, are able to read at a level pegged for seven or eight-year-olds, marginally up from a year earlier.</P> <P>In 2009, the number of kids in fifth grade who could read at a second grade level was 52.8%, down from 56.2% a year earlier.</P></BLOCKQUOTE> <P></P> <P>This comparison of education results, the difference between first world standards in China and no learning in India, is far more stark than the 40 years it will take India to complete the Kashmir Railway and the 5 years it took for China to connect to Tibet. India has a shortage of good engineers because its public education is terrible. More troubling for India is the lack of improvement over the last few years. The survey even indicates a decline in some 2010 results. This generation of India hasn't been well educated so expect China to maintain its lead and accelerate further for another generation. There is no indication of change so another generation will be poorly educated and India will lag for at least 2 generations. <BR></P> <DIV style="CLEAR: both"></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=post-footer> <DIV class="post-footer-line post-footer-line-1"><SPAN class="post-author vcard">Posted by <SPAN class=fn>Blogger</SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN class=post-timestamp>at <A class=timestamp-link title="permanent link" href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/03/why-is-india-bad-at-civil-engineering.html" rel=bookmark><ABBR class=published title=2011-03-22T15:59:00-07:00>3:59 PM</ABBR></A> </SPAN><SPAN class=post-comment-link><A class=comment-link onclick="" href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/03/why-is-india-bad-at-civil-engineering.html#comments">13 comments</A> </SPAN><SPAN class=post-icons><SPAN class="item-control blog-admin pid-1084478769"><A title="Edit Post" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=2413395828864284978"><IMG class=icon-action alt="" src="ctsicon18_edit_allbkg.gif" width=18 height=18> </A></SPAN></SPAN> <DIV class="post-share-buttons goog-inline-block"><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-email" title="Email This" href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=2413395828864284978&amp;target=email" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Email This</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-blog" title=BlogThis! onclick='window.open(this.href, "_blank", "height=270,width=475"); return false;' href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=2413395828864284978&amp;target=blog" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>BlogThis!</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-twitter" title="Share to Twitter" href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=2413395828864284978&amp;target=twitter" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Share to Twitter</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-facebook" title="Share to Facebook" onclick='window.open(this.href, "_blank", "height=430,width=640"); return false;' href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=2413395828864284978&amp;target=facebook" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Share to Facebook</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-buzz" title="Share to Google Buzz" onclick='window.open(this.href, "_blank", "height=415,width=690"); return false;' href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=2413395828864284978&amp;target=buzz" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Share to Google Buzz</SPAN> </A></DIV></DIV> <DIV class="post-footer-line post-footer-line-2"><SPAN class=post-labels>Labels: <A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/search/label/education" rel=tag>education</A>, <A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/search/label/gettings%20things%20done" rel=tag>gettings things done</A> </SPAN></DIV> <DIV class="post-footer-line post-footer-line-3"><SPAN class=post-location></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV id=latency-2413395828864284978></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=date-outer> <H2 class=date-header><SPAN>Sunday, March 20, 2011</SPAN></H2> <DIV class=date-posts> <DIV class=post-outer> <DIV class="post hentry"><A name=2996466232319242134></A> <H3 class="post-title entry-title"><A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/03/kashmir-railway-v-tibet-railway.html">Kashmir Railway v. Tibet Railway</A> </H3> <DIV class=post-header> <DIV class=post-header-line-1></DIV></DIV> <DIV id=post-body-2996466232319242134 class="post-body entry-content">This comparison of railway construction is not purely a contrast of civil engineering ability since <A href="http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Security-increased-along-railway-track-in-Kashmir/760022">recent events</A> including a terrorist bombing of tracks and the rioting of last summer show the security challenge faced by Indian Railways, but the difference between Chinese efficiency and the Indian pace is extreme enough to be an insightful juxtaposition of getting things done.<BR><BR>Construction of the partially completed and opened Kashmir Railway (345km) began in 1983, but only gained adequate budget allocation in 2002 when it became a National Project. Despite rugged engineering challenges including equally harsh weather, the Tibet Railway (1156km) opened in 2006 after a mere 5 years of construction.<BR><BR>The Chinese make civil engineering feats seem effortless but for India there is no end in sight.<A href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KG25Df01.html"> Writing in 2009</A>, Haroon Mirani, a Kashmiri journalist, summarized some technical bungles:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>As the project stuttered along, tunnels collapsed and landslides undid hard-won progress. The executing agency, charged with drilling 200 meters of tunnel a month, could get through only 70 meters - hence concerns the project would require a further two decades to complete. <BR><BR>Indian Railways has been criticized for starting the project without surveying the ground properly. <BR><BR>"What they did was they got some satellite <A style="POSITION: static; FONT-FAMILY: inherit !important; TEXT-DECORATION: underline !important" id=KonaLink6 class=kLink href="http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KG25Df01.html#"><SPAN style="POSITION: static; FONT-FAMILY: inherit !important; COLOR: rgb(0,0,0)"><SPAN style="BORDER-BOTTOM: green 1px solid; POSITION: relative; FONT-FAMILY: inherit !important; COLOR: green !important" class=kLink>maps</SPAN></SPAN></A> of terrain, drilled at a couple of places and okeyed the project," said a local geologist pleading anonymity as he is not authorized to talk on the subject. "The region falls under highly earthquake-prone zone V. Its rock structure is all dolomite and limestone, which is fractured and is the main cause of landslides and tunnel collapses." The area is home to three active geological fault lines.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>A debate took place over abandoning already completed work on this most challenging portion (designated Leg 2) because the alignment was considered unstable but the alternative had unpalatable costs:<BR><BR> <BLOCKQUOTE>Indian Railways is now considering the alternative route, running through twin-tube tunnels rather than skirting the mountains and cutting the distance by about 55km. Critics say it will push the deadline to 2025 and drive up the project's cost to $10 billion from the present $2.5 billion. <BR><BR>Indian Railways had already invested more than $300 million in work done and contracts awarded when work was stopped. Subsequent claims by contractors following order cancellations, delayed deadlines and other legalities are set to increase losses to $500 million if the old alignment is completely abandoned.</BLOCKQUOTE>Work now continues on the lousy old alignment but the completion date of this portion is uncertain. Construction of Leg 2 started in 1994 and completion is targeted for 2017 but no one believes IR will <A href="http://www.sify.com/news/will-kashmir-rail-line-by-ready-by-2017-news-national-lc0okfcacci.html">pull if off</A>. If the railway finally opens sometime in the early 20s, a 40 year saga of getting things done in India will close.<BR><BR>With more skilled civil engineers, <A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/03/libya-chinese-v-indian-government.html">diplomats</A>, and even <A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/02/corrupt-chinese-babus-get-job-done.html">babus</A>, how does India expect to <A href="http://superpower.in.com/"><SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">eventually</SPAN></A> win the race against China? (Why do many people even think there is a race?) <DIV style="CLEAR: both"></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=post-footer> <DIV class="post-footer-line post-footer-line-1"><SPAN class="post-author vcard">Posted by <SPAN class=fn>Blogger</SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN class=post-timestamp>at <A class=timestamp-link title="permanent link" href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/03/kashmir-railway-v-tibet-railway.html" rel=bookmark><ABBR class=published title=2011-03-20T04:58:00-07:00>4:58 AM</ABBR></A> </SPAN><SPAN class=post-comment-link><A class=comment-link onclick="" href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/03/kashmir-railway-v-tibet-railway.html#comments">9 comments</A> </SPAN><SPAN class=post-icons><SPAN class="item-control blog-admin pid-1084478769"><A title="Edit Post" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=2996466232319242134"><IMG class=icon-action alt="" src="ctsicon18_edit_allbkg.gif" width=18 height=18> </A></SPAN></SPAN> <DIV class="post-share-buttons goog-inline-block"><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-email" title="Email This" href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=2996466232319242134&amp;target=email" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Email This</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-blog" title=BlogThis! onclick='window.open(this.href, "_blank", "height=270,width=475"); return false;' href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=2996466232319242134&amp;target=blog" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>BlogThis!</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-twitter" title="Share to Twitter" href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=2996466232319242134&amp;target=twitter" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Share to Twitter</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-facebook" title="Share to Facebook" onclick='window.open(this.href, "_blank", "height=430,width=640"); return false;' href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=2996466232319242134&amp;target=facebook" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Share to Facebook</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-buzz" title="Share to Google Buzz" onclick='window.open(this.href, "_blank", "height=415,width=690"); return false;' href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=2996466232319242134&amp;target=buzz" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Share to Google Buzz</SPAN> </A></DIV></DIV> <DIV class="post-footer-line post-footer-line-2"><SPAN class=post-labels>Labels: <A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/search/label/getting%20things%20done" rel=tag>getting things done</A>, <A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/search/label/rail" rel=tag>rail</A> </SPAN></DIV> <DIV class="post-footer-line post-footer-line-3"><SPAN class=post-location></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV id=latency-2996466232319242134></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=date-outer> <H2 class=date-header><SPAN>Wednesday, March 16, 2011</SPAN></H2> <DIV class=date-posts> <DIV class=post-outer> <DIV class="post hentry"><A name=7405333559379988639></A> <H3 class="post-title entry-title"><A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/03/more-libya-maybe-pakistan-needs.html">More Libya: Maybe Pakistan Needs a Different Kind of Rival</A> </H3> <DIV class=post-header> <DIV class=post-header-line-1></DIV></DIV> <DIV id=post-body-7405333559379988639 class="post-body entry-content">According to <A href="http://www.dawn.com/2011/03/13/at-least-15000-pakistanis-stranded-in-libya.html">The Dawn</A> "15,000 to 20,000 Pakistanis remain stranded in Libya." The minimal efforts of the Pakistani government even makes India shine. Since the end of last week, India successfully evacuated every national who wanted to leave. <BR><BR>There doesn't appear to be much outrage in the Pakistani press for the government's poor performance. The scant attention may be due to lack of competitive impetus. Since the beginning, China was mentioned as often as Libya in articles by Indian journalists on the evacuation. In a defensive response, Rao, the Foreign Secretary of India, even <A href="http://twitter.com/ForeignSecNRao">tweeted</A>, "<SPAN class=status-body><SPAN class=status-content><SPAN class=entry-content>I will not comment on the Chinese statistics..." Well, it was those Chinese numbers that may have been the dominant reason for getting India to start moving. The outlook of Sino-Indian competition in Indian minds had a positive effect in this case. <BR><BR>But the common notion in India that the country is in the same league or will accelerate and eventually overtake China will lead to mistakes. [Other topics for other days.] <BR></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> <DIV style="CLEAR: both"></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=post-footer> <DIV class="post-footer-line post-footer-line-1"><SPAN class="post-author vcard">Posted by <SPAN class=fn>Blogger</SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN class=post-timestamp>at <A class=timestamp-link title="permanent link" href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/03/more-libya-maybe-pakistan-needs.html" rel=bookmark><ABBR class=published title=2011-03-16T00:08:00-07:00>12:08 AM</ABBR></A> </SPAN><SPAN class=post-comment-link><A class=comment-link onclick="" href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/03/more-libya-maybe-pakistan-needs.html#comments">0 comments</A> </SPAN><SPAN class=post-icons><SPAN class="item-control blog-admin pid-1084478769"><A title="Edit Post" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=7405333559379988639"><IMG class=icon-action alt="" src="ctsicon18_edit_allbkg.gif" width=18 height=18> </A></SPAN></SPAN> <DIV class="post-share-buttons goog-inline-block"><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-email" title="Email This" href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=7405333559379988639&amp;target=email" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Email This</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-blog" title=BlogThis! onclick='window.open(this.href, "_blank", "height=270,width=475"); return false;' href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=7405333559379988639&amp;target=blog" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>BlogThis!</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-twitter" title="Share to Twitter" href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=7405333559379988639&amp;target=twitter" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Share to Twitter</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-facebook" title="Share to Facebook" onclick='window.open(this.href, "_blank", "height=430,width=640"); return false;' href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=7405333559379988639&amp;target=facebook" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Share to Facebook</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-buzz" title="Share to Google Buzz" onclick='window.open(this.href, "_blank", "height=415,width=690"); return false;' href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=7405333559379988639&amp;target=buzz" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Share to Google Buzz</SPAN> </A></DIV></DIV> <DIV class="post-footer-line post-footer-line-2"><SPAN class=post-labels>Labels: <A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/search/label/getting%20things%20done" rel=tag>getting things done</A>, <A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/search/label/libya" rel=tag>libya</A> </SPAN></DIV> <DIV class="post-footer-line post-footer-line-3"><SPAN class=post-location></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV id=latency-7405333559379988639></DIV></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=date-outer> <H2 class=date-header><SPAN>Wednesday, March 2, 2011</SPAN></H2> <DIV class=date-posts> <DIV class=post-outer> <DIV class="post hentry"><A name=3506670544828093981></A> <H3 class="post-title entry-title"><A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/03/libya-chinese-v-indian-government.html">Libya: Chinese v. Indian Government Ability to Get Things Done</A> </H3> <DIV class=post-header> <DIV class=post-header-line-1></DIV></DIV> <DIV id=post-body-3506670544828093981 class="post-body entry-content"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 100%">In a recent post we covered the sometimes spectacular organization of Chinese bureaucracy compared to the languid incompetence of Indian government despite widespread corruption in both countries. Along with corruption, the most popular explanation for this difference is the contrast in control over society between authoritarian China and democratic India. In India there are pesky court orders halting land acquisition, vote bank politicians interefering with progress and all manner of democratic chaos. The prime illustration of cumbersome Indian politics is the <A href="http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/india/article.cfm?articleid=4318">experience of Tata Motors in West Bengal</A> before withdrawal from the unfriendly state. However dictatorship and central planning in China is not a complete explanation of success. Indians will resist admitting that Chinese officials are more skillful, preferring to point to the obstacles facing their civil servants.<BR><BR>But in a distant country where both countries face the same conditions and exert no control over society, Chinese diplomats handily beat their Indian counterparts.<BR><BR>The Ministry of External Affairs is doing a lousy job of getting Indians out of Libya:<BR></SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE> <P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 100%">Until now, India has evacuated barely <SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">20 per cent of its citizens  in contrast, China s moved out more than 90 per cent</SPAN> of its citizens and the US Embassy in Tripoli has even wrapped up its evacuation operations. </SPAN></P> <P><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 100%">The actual figures are more stark: India has 18,000 nationals and, going by Foreign Secretary Nirupama Rao s latest tweet, approximately 3,000 are out of Libya while China has only 3,000 left to evacuate from southern Libya. According to Beijing, 32,000 of its citizens are out of Libya, 9,000 of them have even reached China, 21,000 were safe in a third country while 2,100 were on their way out. According to Air India, only 1,134 Indians had reached home. - <A href="http://www.indianexpress.com/news/out-of-libya-india-crawls-the-rest-are-safe-at-home/756607/">Indian Express</A><BR></SPAN></P></BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 100%">Despite the <A href="http://www.indianexpress.com/news/indian-workers-in-libya-are-at-great-risk-parents/754419/">cries of their countrymen</A>, Indian diplomats are just beginning major evacuation efforts:<BR><BR></SPAN> <BLOCKQUOTE><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 100%">No effort was made to boost the staff at the Indian embassy at Tripoli and it is only now that officials are being sent to neighbouring countries like Malta to help in the evacuation process. </SPAN></BLOCKQUOTE> <DIV style="CLEAR: both"></DIV></DIV> <DIV class=post-footer> <DIV class="post-footer-line post-footer-line-1"><SPAN class="post-author vcard">Posted by <SPAN class=fn>Blogger</SPAN> </SPAN><SPAN class=post-timestamp>at <A class=timestamp-link title="permanent link" href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/03/libya-chinese-v-indian-government.html" rel=bookmark><ABBR class=published title=2011-03-02T02:04:00-08:00>2:04 AM</ABBR></A> </SPAN><SPAN class=post-comment-link><A class=comment-link onclick="" href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/2011/03/libya-chinese-v-indian-government.html#comments">5 comments</A> </SPAN><SPAN class=post-icons><SPAN class="item-control blog-admin pid-1084478769"><A title="Edit Post" href="http://www.blogger.com/post-edit.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=3506670544828093981"><IMG class=icon-action alt="" src="ctsicon18_edit_allbkg.gif" width=18 height=18> </A></SPAN></SPAN> <DIV class="post-share-buttons goog-inline-block"><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-email" title="Email This" href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=3506670544828093981&amp;target=email" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Email This</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-blog" title=BlogThis! onclick='window.open(this.href, "_blank", "height=270,width=475"); return false;' href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=3506670544828093981&amp;target=blog" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>BlogThis!</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-twitter" title="Share to Twitter" href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=3506670544828093981&amp;target=twitter" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Share to Twitter</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-facebook" title="Share to Facebook" onclick='window.open(this.href, "_blank", "height=430,width=640"); return false;' href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=3506670544828093981&amp;target=facebook" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Share to Facebook</SPAN> </A><A class="goog-inline-block share-button sb-buzz" title="Share to Google Buzz" onclick='window.open(this.href, "_blank", "height=415,width=690"); return false;' href="http://www.blogger.com/share-post.g?blogID=7850717050840290979&amp;postID=3506670544828093981&amp;target=buzz" target=_blank><SPAN class=share-button-link-text>Share to Google Buzz</SPAN> </A></DIV></DIV> <DIV class="post-footer-line post-footer-line-2"><SPAN class=post-labels>Labels: <A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/search/label/diplomats" rel=tag>diplomats</A>, <A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/search/label/getting%20things%20done" rel=tag>getting things done</A>, <A href="http://chinaoverindia.blogspot.com/search/label/libya" rel=tag>libya</A></SPAN></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></BODY></HTML>